This is based on a conversation I had with an individual in a forum. This individual is a servant of Jesus. I use the term servant of Jesus because no one sect can escape the definition or title. When you start probing these sects for information and answers, they have invented ways of avoiding questions by saying, "Oooh no, that's not the way we believe, you have us confused with Catholics or Protestants etc..". Then they start teaching you how they believe and serve or understand Jesus and before you know it they have introduced you to their doctrine but have totally evaded the original question. When one asks difficult questions this is usually the avenue they will take in order to avoid addressing the question. When in reality they all serve the same deity. And will actually defend that deity against specific sayings of YHVH. I guess they fail to realize what they are doing. Hey, that reminds me of a passage, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do".

The servant of Jesus and I were debating about why I believe black people are most likely to be the children of Israel or at least the tribe Judah. So I wrote a big thing showing passages that dealt with curses that would be put on Israel if they were to transgress the Laws. Beside each passage I showed where the event actually occurred to black people in History. Needless to say he did not address or refute any of my references, instead he replied with another possibility as to why most black people are descendants of slaves. His reply is unique and original and appeared to have been weal thought out. The reason I think his reply is apart of secret teachings of the church is because other white participants replied to it as if they were already aware of these teachings. I must say that I was totally unaware of this point of view until it was revealed to me in the forum. His reply was; black people are the descendants of Ham and that's why we are descendants of slaves and cursed. The main passage he is referring to would be:

Gen:9:25: And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Canaan is a descendant of Ham. It is not clear as to what Ham performed in that moment. Some say he committed sodomy on Noah, some say he castrated Noah and some say he slept with Noah's wife, his mother.

When one reads the Old Testaments it becomes clear that black people have a very high possibility of being Israel or one of the tribes of Israel. I assume a lot of white members of Churches and religious organizations have indeed presented the question to their Pastor or Deacon. It may be these teachings that the Pastor or Deacon has been taught to present to those white members of the Church that ask the question. It appears to be a very valid point of view when you only present Gen 9:25.

So I thought to do a study of this point of view to see if it is credible and in harmony with more Scripture. The first point I would like to make is this curse from Noah is only to the people of Canaan meaning the first generation of the children of Canaan. Secondly I do not understand how Noah can have black and white children when he only had one wife, so we must also address this puzzle.

In studying the Old Testaments we realize the people of Israel will be a people that will rise from slavery and devastation. YHVH put the slavery and devastation on them for transgressing the LAW. This does not in any way fit the History of the Caucasians on the earth. It is not recorded in History where they have ever been servants and slaves to another people as the Bible clearly states would occur to Israel.

Deut:28:48: Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

Deut:28:36: The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

Deut:28:64: And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

These types of events can not be found in the History of the Caucasian. Any land or country the Caucasian came up on, he entered that land willingly. It is clear Caucasians did not rise from slavery nor are they in the position to do so today.

One area we could look at to explain Noah having white and black children is to deduce that all men started out as one color, one race. This may have been undone at Babel.

Gen:11:
4: And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5: And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6: And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7: Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8: So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9: Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The statement, "the people is one", could be referring to as being all one race.

Gen:10:
8: And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9: He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10: And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

The land that we know today as Cush is Ethiopia. I also found in this study that some people say Cush is actually Sudan. But never the less both places thought to be Cush/Kush are in Africa and the original people of those lands are black and have been black every since we have recorded time. This makes it clear that at least all of the people that descended from Ham are highly likely to be black people.

Now let us trace the line of Shem or the bloodline that produced Israel.

Gen:11:10: These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

Gen:11:12: And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

Gen:11:14: And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

Gen:11:16: And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

Gen:11:18: And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

Gen:11:20: And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

Gen:11:22: And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

Gen:11:24: And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

Gen:11:26: And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

Abram was later named Abraham and we know his seed produced Israel. What we need to look at is the land in which the children of Israel originated from.

Gen:11:28: And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.

The archeologists say they know where Ur is located and have found archeological evidence that, early Europeans and Asiatic people inhibited Ur in Biblical times. This is also one of the things the Jews of today use to support Israel are white people. They say this is traced with Gen 11:28 which shows Haran as being a native of Ur.

When we examine this closer we see that Ur of the Chaldees is Babylon.

Isa:13:19: And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

Isa:47:1: Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

Isa:48:14: All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

Isa:48:20: Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.

Ezek:23:15: Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

With those passages we see that the Chaldeans are Babylonians. In the Hebrew text the word Chaldean and Chaldees is the same. I have already shown you with Scripture where Babylon or Babel is black people. They are Ethiopians or Sudanians. So the place the archeologist are calling Ur is not the true location.

With all of this information is there any evidence that Israel are black people? We have to look at the land of Israel's nativity. I must admit Gen 11:28 does make it appear as if Israel came from Ur. But when we examine this situation we see the people before Haran had migrated to Ur of the Chaldees. And they ended up in a situation like Egypt. The first Exodus occurred in Genesis and it was out of Ur and in Abraham's generation and time. This is indicated through this passage.

Gen:15:7: And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Canaan was always the land in which Israel had come from:

Ezek:16:3: And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

And that's why in every Exodus situation they are shown as returning to Canaan, a land of people who are black, because they are descendants of Ham. And Ham also produced Cush who we know to be blacks.

This is what I purpose, the whole setting of the Old Testaments occurred in Africa.

In all honesty one can not refute the possibility that black people are the descendants of Ham. The reason being is Israel and those before them that produced the seed were nomads. We see the bloodline of Israel but we do not see any land named after the people that produced Israel until after they become an established people. For example, we see the son Canaan then we see a land named after Canaan. We see Javan then we see the land named after Javan. We see Cush then we see a land named after Cush. We see Sheba then we see a land named after Sheba. If we knew where these lands were located today we would be able to trace the people. They say Javan is Greece if this is the case we know the people of Greece have been Caucasians for as long as we have recorded time. Also we would see that most Caucasians are of Japheth. I did a name search on the people that produced Abraham which intern produced Israel. Arphaxad had no land named after him. Salah had no land named after him. Eber had a possible reference to a land being named after him.

Num:24:24: And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.

No land named after Peleg. No land named after Reu. No land named after Serug. No land named after Nahor. No land named after Terah. So we see the people that produced Israel were nomads and did not establish themselves in one land named after them. They only began to do this after they were established as Israel and even then this was done within the land of Canaan. We can establish the race Japheth became through Greece. We can establish the race of Ham through Cush/Kush. The only thing we can establish with Israel is they became mingled with those of Ham.

There is one thing that did catch my eye through all this and that is Ezekiel 16:3. Those words are depicted as being spoken by YHVH Himself and He is indeed informing Judah of their nativity. To go beyond those statements by YHVH Himself would be to flow against His spoken word. So due to the fact that Canaan are black people which was shown through coming from Ham which also produced Cush/Kush which has been said to be Sudan or Ethiopia, I must conclude that at least Judah has a very, very high possibility of being black people.