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<< Subj: #9; Rib building notes...
Date:01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:SKiblinger
To:EaglersNests
Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs... Really it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated gussets omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where the inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick this change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these special braces and gussets...
We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
Steve >>
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<< Subj:Rib building notes...
Date:01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:SKiblinger
To:EaglersNests
Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs... Really it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated gussets omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where the inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick this change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these special braces and gussets...
We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
Steve >>
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Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs... Really it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated gussets omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where the inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick this change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these special braces and gussets...
We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
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<< Subj: #9; Rib building notes...
Date:01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:SKiblinger
To:EaglersNests
Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs... Really it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated gussets omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where the inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick this change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these special braces and gussets...
We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
Steve >>
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We did what the plans said... There is a better way with 3 versions of the rib building jig as noted... The repairs are not pretty and they are time consuming - 2 or 3 building days counting glue drying time on each wing half...
Steve
In a message dated 01/15/2001 3:02:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, stanswood@yahoo.com writes:
<< Subj: #9; Re: Fwd: Rib building notes...
Date:01/15/2001 3:02:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:stanswood@yahoo.com (Stan Levin)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
i don't remember ... did we do this right ?????
--- EaglersNests@cs.com wrote:
> In a message dated 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific
> Standard Time, SKiblinger
> writes:
>
> << Subj: Rib building notes...
> Date: 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: SKiblinger
> To: EaglersNests
>
> Progress was made today on the
> Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
>
> The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and
> fitted... This building
> step brings up the point that we should not make 24
> identical ribs... Really
> it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical
> brace and associated gussets
> omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is
> located and save a nasty
> carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved
> braces and gussets where the
> inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood
> crafters will pick this
> change up and suggest a way to make and install into
> the rib jig these
> special braces and gussets...
>
> We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
>
> Steve >>
>
>
>
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> E-mail: skiblinger@cs.com
>
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Subj: #9; Re: Rib building notes...
Date:01/15/2001 6:44:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi steve;
I finaly got to work on the wing for the double eagle this weekend and it
was very satisfying to be able to make some progress for a change I have one
wing almost done and I just finished the aileron hinge blocks and I believe
its just as easy to make all the wingribs the same and add uprights where
you cut the uprights out to make room for the hinge blocks and add some more
where the attach fittings come out the but rib its probly easier to alter
the rib than to make a special one. all I have left on the double eagle
wing is to cover the leading edge and I can do that in one good work session
the aileron is varnished and the control horn is installed and it looks good
and in this present stage weighs 2# add another # and for cover and paint
and you have a 3# aileron I hope that is its doctors and dentist tomorrow
and no work on the wing till wed. C.A,V.U.
Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: Rib building notes...
>In a message dated 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, SKiblinger
>writes:
>
><< Subj: Rib building notes...
> Date: 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: SKiblinger
> To: EaglersNests
>
> Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
>
> The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building
>step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs...
Really
>it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated
gussets
>omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty
>carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where
the
>inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick
this
>change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these
>special braces and gussets...
>
> We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
>
> Steve >>
>
>
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail manager: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail: skiblinger@cs.com
>
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>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
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We did what the plans said... There is a better way with 3 versions of the rib building jig as noted... The repairs are not pretty and they are time consuming - 2 or 3 building days counting glue drying time on each wing half...
Steve
In a message dated 01/15/2001 3:02:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, stanswood@yahoo.com writes:
<< Subj: Re: Fwd: Rib building notes...
Date:01/15/2001 3:02:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:stanswood@yahoo.com (Stan Levin)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
i don't remember ... did we do this right ?????
--- EaglersNests@cs.com wrote:
> In a message dated 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific
> Standard Time, SKiblinger
> writes:
>
> << Subj: Rib building notes...
> Date: 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: SKiblinger
> To: EaglersNests
>
> Progress was made today on the
> Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
>
> The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and
> fitted... This building
> step brings up the point that we should not make 24
> identical ribs... Really
> it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical
> brace and associated gussets
> omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is
> located and save a nasty
> carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved
> braces and gussets where the
> inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood
> crafters will pick this
> change up and suggest a way to make and install into
> the rib jig these
> special braces and gussets...
>
> We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
>
> Steve >>
>
>
>
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> E-mail: skiblinger@cs.com
>
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Date: 01/15/2001 6:44:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi steve;
I finaly got to work on the wing for the double eagle this weekend and it
was very satisfying to be able to make some progress for a change I have one
wing almost done and I just finished the aileron hinge blocks and I believe
its just as easy to make all the wingribs the same and add uprights where
you cut the uprights out to make room for the hinge blocks and add some more
where the attach fittings come out the but rib its probly easier to alter
the rib than to make a special one. all I have left on the double eagle
wing is to cover the leading edge and I can do that in one good work session
the aileron is varnished and the control horn is installed and it looks good
and in this present stage weighs 2# add another # and for cover and paint
and you have a 3# aileron I hope that is its doctors and dentist tomorrow
and no work on the wing till wed. C.A,V.U.
Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: Rib building notes...
>In a message dated 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, SKiblinger
>writes:
>
><< Subj: Rib building notes...
> Date: 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: SKiblinger
> To: EaglersNests
>
> Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
>
> The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building
>step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs...
Really
>it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated
gussets
>omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty
>carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where
the
>inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick
this
>change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these
>special braces and gussets...
>
> We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
>
> Steve >>
>
>
>
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>
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Subj: #9; Re: Rib building notes...
Date:01/15/2001 6:44:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi steve;
I finaly got to work on the wing for the double eagle this weekend and it
was very satisfying to be able to make some progress for a change I have one
wing almost done and I just finished the aileron hinge blocks and I believe
its just as easy to make all the wingribs the same and add uprights where
you cut the uprights out to make room for the hinge blocks and add some more
where the attach fittings come out the but rib its probly easier to alter
the rib than to make a special one. all I have left on the double eagle
wing is to cover the leading edge and I can do that in one good work session
the aileron is varnished and the control horn is installed and it looks good
and in this present stage weighs 2# add another # and for cover and paint
and you have a 3# aileron I hope that is its doctors and dentist tomorrow
and no work on the wing till wed. C.A,V.U.
Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:42 PM
Subject: Fwd: Rib building notes...
>In a message dated 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, SKiblinger
>writes:
>
><< Subj: Rib building notes...
> Date: 01/14/2001 8:32:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: SKiblinger
> To: EaglersNests
>
> Progress was made today on the Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin LEU...
>
> The outboard aileron wing pivot block was made and fitted... This building
>step brings up the point that we should not make 24 identical ribs...
Really
>it is 16-4-4... 4 ribs should have the vertical brace and associated
gussets
>omitted where the aileron outboard hinge block is located and save a nasty
>carving step... 4 other ribs should have carved braces and gussets where
the
>inboard wing attach hardware goes... Maybe some wood crafters will pick
this
>change up and suggest a way to make and install into the rib jig these
>special braces and gussets...
>
> We want to fly this LEU serial #33 in April 2001...
>
> Steve >>
>
>
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail manager: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail: skiblinger@cs.com
>
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>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
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>aviation practices...
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Date:01/17/2001 7:00:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi steve;
not much work on the double eagle today I did however get the leading edge
wood all cut to fit and marked for the places not to varnish. I was looking
in the loft and found a roll of .8 mm wood that I didnt know I had and cant
rember where it came from a dew drop from heven Ive got to look that loft
over more carefully in the future I might buy something that I already have
up there tomorrow I hope to get some of the leading edge wood glued on
that will get the wing ready for varnish that is after the whole thing gets
a good sanding thats all for this report leonard C.A.V.U.
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To:EaglersNests
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DL Time (TCP/IP): < 1 minute<BR><BR> Dear Eaglers:
Cold weather for Dulzura, CA has arrived... Last night we actually got down into the 20's for several hours producing the first black frost of the year... I have worked all week on tasks that don't require gluing and have a whole stack of ready to go pieces... Today the skies cleared and the shop south wall let the solar heat in so we glued...
I have noted that the .08mm plywood we're using has one side that looks and feels like it has a sealer on it... Some sheets more so than others...I was concerned about the grip our T88 glue might have on that slick finish so I tested some joints... The results were grim! The parts separated at the glue line - you would not want to fly those glue joints... Glue joints on the fibrous side of the plywood were stronger than the tear out strength of the joined wood... I have always used the fibrous side and Stan did too on the rib gussets...
I will probably work on the styrene foam plug for the gas tank today... I got to fire up my old hot wire tool for the foam cutting... I'm kind of looking forward to that cut on the foam block chord wise on the top using the 2nd and 3rd ribs as a hot wire guide... I've been fussing with blocking for the plug that makes the fuel travel to the rear corner of the tank in level flight and maintains a 1/4 inch clearance all around the tank...
Steve
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Date:01/17/2001 7:00:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi steve;
not much work on the double eagle today I did however get the leading edge
wood all cut to fit and marked for the places not to varnish. I was looking
in the loft and found a roll of .8 mm wood that I didnt know I had and cant
rember where it came from a dew drop from heven Ive got to look that loft
over more carefully in the future I might buy something that I already have
up there tomorrow I hope to get some of the leading edge wood glued on
that will get the wing ready for varnish that is after the whole thing gets
a good sanding thats all for this report leonard C.A.V.U.
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In a message dated 01/18/2001 4:58:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, wasi@southwind.net writes:
<< Subj: #9; subscribe
Date:01/18/2001 4:58:42 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:wasi@southwind.net (Wichita Air Service)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
I hope I have this right. Your E-mail group sounds like a great idea.
Chris
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I have been working on the "BrucesEngine" page of the web site for a more balanced personation of information regarding the 1/2 VW preparation... The head rework is the least documented and the most complex engine building task... I have posted a link to pictures made available by Danny Doolin - Thanks Danny! - that show the beginning of the head preparation sequence - the head cut... Searching the web for VW information suggests that the VW head offers the most likely target for more horsepower from the engine... The 3 angle valve grind and other flow enhancing cleanups are central to this improvement... There are multiple ways to put a second spark plug into the heads for dual ignition - a good old idea - but only the plug located between the push rod tubes has a serviceability track record... I contacted EAA chapter 292 about their 1/2 VW development and they reported problems with cracking on intakes of a bolt-on design - their web site shows a welded intake pipe - this may have been resolved and I will pursue more info on that... The 292 message is attached below:
ubj: #9; Re: Betterhalf vw project...
Date:09/10/2000 5:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:jouster@cyberis.net (John H Ousterhout)
To:SKiblinger@cs.com
Our half-VW is of our own design, but influenced by the Carr half-VW. It
runs well on the stand but the vibration is cracking the intake mainfolds.
Each carb is bolted to a stub mainfold that's bolted to the head. We'll
probably go to a single carb. I expect more information when we start work
on the engine again.
Work on the Independence FLyer UL is slow because many of the project
members have defected to build Nieuport 11's.
regards
- John -
The 1/2 VW fuel consumption is reported ranging from 1 to 2.1 gallons an hour... It is also reported that the VW exhaust valve is the weakest part of the engine and some say it will fail every 200 hours in our application... Heat is the killer of exhaust valves and lean mixtures produce hot exhaust valves... Leonard reports the 2.1 gallon an hour figure and his jetting instructions for the Mikuni carbs is probably wise... We are thinking about the J3 Cub cylinder eye brow scoops as a model for flowing some more air in around the exhaust valve side of the head - we're at the sketches stage...
Best,
Steve
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I have been working on the "BrucesEngine" page of the web site for a more balanced personation of information regarding the 1/2 VW preparation... The head rework is the least documented and the most complex engine building task... I have posted a link to pictures made available by Danny Doolin - Thanks Danny! - that show the beginning of the head preparation sequence - the head cut... Searching the web for VW information suggests that the VW head offers the most likely target for more horsepower from the engine... The 3 angle valve grind and other flow enhancing cleanups are central to this improvement... There are multiple ways to put a second spark plug into the heads for dual ignition - a good old idea - but only the plug located between the push rod tubes has a serviceability track record... I contacted EAA chapter 292 about their 1/2 VW development and they reported problems with cracking on intakes of a bolt-on design - their web site shows a welded intake pipe - this may have been resolved and I will pursue more info on that... The 292 message is attached below:
ubj: Re: Betterhalf vw project...
Date:09/10/2000 5:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:jouster@cyberis.net (John H Ousterhout)
To:SKiblinger@cs.com
Our half-VW is of our own design, but influenced by the Carr half-VW. It
runs well on the stand but the vibration is cracking the intake mainfolds.
Each carb is bolted to a stub mainfold that's bolted to the head. We'll
probably go to a single carb. I expect more information when we start work
on the engine again.
Work on the Independence FLyer UL is slow because many of the project
members have defected to build Nieuport 11's.
regards
- John -
The 1/2 VW fuel consumption is reported ranging from 1 to 2.1 gallons an hour... It is also reported that the VW exhaust valve is the weakest part of the engine and some say it will fail every 200 hours in our application... Heat is the killer of exhaust valves and lean mixtures produce hot exhaust valves... Leonard reports the 2.1 gallon an hour figure and his jetting instructions for the Mikuni carbs is probably wise... We are thinking about the J3 Cub cylinder eye brow scoops as a model for flowing some more air in around the exhaust valve side of the head - we're at the sketches stage...
Best,
Steve
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Thanks for the E-mail on the head work status and thanks for your web site plus the positive comments on ours...
I have added you to the E-mail group - it's easy to get on or off if you want to change your status with E-mailings...
Now about the wings!... Leonard is burning the midnight oil to get out a video tape on wings... There are lots of things to do before you get to the wings which includes taking the empennage all the way thru cover and good practice for the wings... I don't like the gluing results in temps below 70 degrees and your having a hard winter there so life is good...
Thanks again,
Steve
Subj: #9; L.E. Head work
Date:01/19/2001 10:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:dannyjoe@home.com (Danny)
To:skiblinger@cs.com
Hello, Steve and nesters. Yes, I have Lenoard's motor plans, L.E. plans and the video-- mine didn't come with any numbers on it. Guess he is selling so may now, he's lost count! I will have more pictures to share in the near future. Unfortunately I can still take some more pictures of my head work! I.E. cutting flanges off the donor head, the tool it takes to get dual valve springs off a new head, fitting the flanges to new head and trimming for intake pipe. Etc. I have a tig welder, but I haven't decided if I want to weld mine myself. (extremely low time tig weldor) It was my idea, to try cutting the heads with the hack-saw, and come to find out you can be real accurate with it (you do have a lot of time to check it). I'm sure Leonard does some fine cutting with the hacker, but I believe he doesn't go in for a lot of fooling around when he goes to make little heads out of big ones. I think he uses a band saw for that. So I can't say how he deals with the push-rod tube hole. I know I didn't want to cut it, then have to be welding on it, then machining on it-- hoping it would seal. I have not welded mine yet, so mine may warp, and I end up doing it all anyway. Hope not. Stay tuned.
BTW, THANK YOU STEVE for the web page! I have taken a lot of incouragement from it, and will definitely need more when it comes time for me to figure the wings out!
-Danny
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Date:01/19/2001 6:37:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Guys;
on the carb breaking off I use a rubber mount from a snow mobile the carb
plugs right in and is tightened with a screwdriver and a very short intake
tube why are you having so much vibration anyway?? I dont even think about
two plugs in the vw heads they arent made for two plugs and the dang things
are so depenbable that I dont think they are necessary. Ive got a video
comming out on making the heads mabye I better hurry it up the wing video
is about ready to ship just needs editing I finished the left wing today
and it looks good Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:34 AM
Subject: Engine building...
>Dear Eaglers:
>
>I have been working on the "BrucesEngine" page of the web site for a more
>balanced personation of information regarding the 1/2 VW preparation... The
>head rework is the least documented and the most complex engine building
>task... I have posted a link to pictures made available by Danny Doolin -
>Thanks Danny! - that show the beginning of the head preparation sequence -
>the head cut... Searching the web for VW information suggests that the VW
>head offers the most likely target for more horsepower from the engine...
The
>3 angle valve grind and other flow enhancing cleanups are central to this
>improvement... There are multiple ways to put a second spark plug into the
>heads for dual ignition - a good old idea - but only the plug located
between
>the push rod tubes has a serviceability track record... I contacted EAA
>chapter 292 about their 1/2 VW development and they reported problems with
>cracking on intakes of a bolt-on design - their web site shows a welded
>intake pipe - this may have been resolved and I will pursue more info on
>that... The 292 message is attached below:
>ubj: Re: Betterhalf vw project...
>Date: 09/10/2000 5:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>From: jouster@cyberis.net (John H Ousterhout)
>To: SKiblinger@cs.com
>
>Our half-VW is of our own design, but influenced by the Carr half-VW. It
>runs well on the stand but the vibration is cracking the intake mainfolds.
>Each carb is bolted to a stub mainfold that's bolted to the head. We'll
>probably go to a single carb. I expect more information when we start work
>on the engine again.
>
>Work on the Independence FLyer UL is slow because many of the project
>members have defected to build Nieuport 11's.
>
>regards
>
>- John -
>
>The 1/2 VW fuel consumption is reported ranging from 1 to 2.1 gallons an
>hour... It is also reported that the VW exhaust valve is the weakest part
of
>the engine and some say it will fail every 200 hours in our application...
>Heat is the killer of exhaust valves and lean mixtures produce hot exhaust
>valves... Leonard reports the 2.1 gallon an hour figure and his jetting
>instructions for the Mikuni carbs is probably wise... We are thinking about
>the J3 Cub cylinder eye brow scoops as a model for flowing some more air in
>around the exhaust valve side of the head - we're at the sketches stage...
>
>Best,
>
>Steve
>
>
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skiblinger@cs.com
>
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>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
safe
>aviation practices... See Steve's LEU web site for more LEU information at:
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>
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Date:01/19/2001 6:37:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Guys;
on the carb breaking off I use a rubber mount from a snow mobile the carb
plugs right in and is tightened with a screwdriver and a very short intake
tube why are you having so much vibration anyway?? I dont even think about
two plugs in the vw heads they arent made for two plugs and the dang things
are so depenbable that I dont think they are necessary. Ive got a video
comming out on making the heads mabye I better hurry it up the wing video
is about ready to ship just needs editing I finished the left wing today
and it looks good Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Friday, January 19, 2001 1:34 AM
Subject: Engine building...
>Dear Eaglers:
>
>I have been working on the "BrucesEngine" page of the web site for a more
>balanced personation of information regarding the 1/2 VW preparation... The
>head rework is the least documented and the most complex engine building
>task... I have posted a link to pictures made available by Danny Doolin -
>Thanks Danny! - that show the beginning of the head preparation sequence -
>the head cut... Searching the web for VW information suggests that the VW
>head offers the most likely target for more horsepower from the engine...
The
>3 angle valve grind and other flow enhancing cleanups are central to this
>improvement... There are multiple ways to put a second spark plug into the
>heads for dual ignition - a good old idea - but only the plug located
between
>the push rod tubes has a serviceability track record... I contacted EAA
>chapter 292 about their 1/2 VW development and they reported problems with
>cracking on intakes of a bolt-on design - their web site shows a welded
>intake pipe - this may have been resolved and I will pursue more info on
>that... The 292 message is attached below:
>ubj: Re: Betterhalf vw project...
>Date: 09/10/2000 5:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>From: jouster@cyberis.net (John H Ousterhout)
>To: SKiblinger@cs.com
>
>Our half-VW is of our own design, but influenced by the Carr half-VW. It
>runs well on the stand but the vibration is cracking the intake mainfolds.
>Each carb is bolted to a stub mainfold that's bolted to the head. We'll
>probably go to a single carb. I expect more information when we start work
>on the engine again.
>
>Work on the Independence FLyer UL is slow because many of the project
>members have defected to build Nieuport 11's.
>
>regards
>
>- John -
>
>The 1/2 VW fuel consumption is reported ranging from 1 to 2.1 gallons an
>hour... It is also reported that the VW exhaust valve is the weakest part
of
>the engine and some say it will fail every 200 hours in our application...
>Heat is the killer of exhaust valves and lean mixtures produce hot exhaust
>valves... Leonard reports the 2.1 gallon an hour figure and his jetting
>instructions for the Mikuni carbs is probably wise... We are thinking about
>the J3 Cub cylinder eye brow scoops as a model for flowing some more air in
>around the exhaust valve side of the head - we're at the sketches stage...
>
>Best,
>
>Steve
>
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail coordinator: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail:
skiblinger@cs.com
>
>This E-mail list is exclusively for (discussions about the Milholland
>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
safe
>aviation practices... See Steve's LEU web site for more LEU information at:
>http://ourworld-top.cs.com/skiblinger/index.htm
>
>To subscribe send an e-mail to: eaglersnests@cs.com with the word
"Subscribe"
>in the Subject: line of the message... To get off the list send an e-mail
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>line of the message...
>
Thanks for the E-mail on the head work status and thanks for your web site plus the positive comments on ours...
I have added you to the E-mail group - it's easy to get on or off if you want to change your status with E-mailings...
Now about the wings!... Leonard is burning the midnight oil to get out a video tape on wings... There are lots of things to do before you get to the wings which includes taking the empennage all the way thru cover and good practice for the wings... I don't like the gluing results in temps below 70 degrees and your having a hard winter there so life is good...
Thanks again,
Steve
Subj: L.E. Head work
Date:01/19/2001 10:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:dannyjoe@home.com (Danny)
To:skiblinger@cs.com
Hello, Steve and nesters. Yes, I have Lenoard's motor plans, L.E. plans and the video-- mine didn't come with any numbers on it. Guess he is selling so may now, he's lost count! I will have more pictures to share in the near future. Unfortunately I can still take some more pictures of my head work! I.E. cutting flanges off the donor head, the tool it takes to get dual valve springs off a new head, fitting the flanges to new head and trimming for intake pipe. Etc. I have a tig welder, but I haven't decided if I want to weld mine myself. (extremely low time tig weldor) It was my idea, to try cutting the heads with the hack-saw, and come to find out you can be real accurate with it (you do have a lot of time to check it). I'm sure Leonard does some fine cutting with the hacker, but I believe he doesn't go in for a lot of fooling around when he goes to make little heads out of big ones. I think he uses a band saw for that. So I can't say how he deals with the push-rod tube hole. I know I didn't want to cut it, then have to be welding on it, then machining on it-- hoping it would seal. I have not welded mine yet, so mine may warp, and I end up doing it all anyway. Hope not. Stay tuned.
BTW, THANK YOU STEVE for the web page! I have taken a lot of incouragement from it, and will definitely need more when it comes time for me to figure the wings out!
-Danny
--------------------
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Date:01/22/2001 1:32:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:NLA2@aol.com
To:EaglersNests
Hey Steve &the gang; I will have to limit my building the Eagle for awhile...... I had a near engine loss with my 150/180hp.... Smoke filled the cabin and I knew I had an oil leak. I managed to get back to LNN(Lost Nation Airport)... When I landed I pulled the cowling and found the pushrod tube to cylindar no. 2 had been pushed to the side.Hence the oil leak......I removed the rocker cover and the pushrod tube along with rod and found the rod to be bent, but more than that I could see pieces of metal next to the pushrod tube in the lifter casing..... When I removed the pushrod I could see that the casing around the lifter (tappit)had separated about 1/2" back from the tube seat.... Now that means,after talking to a couple of a&'s that the engine must be removed and the case split so the tappit and lifter can be replaced...I hope the exhaust valve is ok and no other problems exhist.....Now if the weather cooperates I will need to pull the engine.......I'm not sure yet if I will do the work with an A& or send it out.. I' ll try to work on the eagle in between but I will need time....See you later.... Ron
Date:01/22/2001 5:39:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eagle,s nesters;
I have one wing finished ready for varnish and the other wing is half
assembled so things are looking up around here. hpoe to get the other wing
done ready for varnish by the weekend I want to warn everybody that it is
easy to build two left wings or two right wings I ahft to be sure I put the
but rib at the opsite end of the bench as compaired to the other wing and It
still gets confusing DONT build two wings that are the same I have one wing
on saw horses so I can look at it while I am assembling the other wing the
fuselage is next se ya Leonard C.A.V.U.
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: engine out
>Subj: engine out
>Date: 01/22/2001 1:32:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
>From: NLA2@aol.com
>To: EaglersNests
>
>Hey Steve &the gang; I will have to limit my building the Eagle for
>awhile...... I had a near engine loss with my 150/180hp.... Smoke filled
the
>cabin and I knew I had an oil leak. I managed to get back to LNN(Lost
Nation
>Airport)... When I landed I pulled the cowling and found the pushrod tube
to
>cylindar no. 2 had been pushed to the side.Hence the oil leak......I
removed
>the rocker cover and the pushrod tube along with rod and found the rod to
be
>bent, but more than that I could see pieces of metal next to the pushrod
tube
>in the lifter casing..... When I removed the pushrod I could see that the
>casing around the lifter (tappit)had separated about 1/2" back from the
tube
>seat.... Now that means,after talking to a couple of a&'s that the engine
>must be removed and the case split so the tappit and lifter can be
>replaced...I hope the exhaust valve is ok and no other problems
>exhist.....Now if the weather cooperates I will need to pull the
>engine.......I'm not sure yet if I will do the work with an A& or send it
>out.. I' ll try to work on the eagle in between but I will need
>time....See you later.... Ron
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Sounds like your really on a roll!...
I have the same left right challenge with the wing building... I'm sure all of you have seen my right and left root bracing in the right wing main spar by now... As you suggest Leonard, the right wing hanging across from the building table gets looked at a lot as I assemble the left wing... On the spars too I suggest putting them root to root as they would be in the plane...
I've been making steady progress with the left wing and you can see where I'm at on the side bar of the WingsHow2?'s page... I'll put the last cross bracing on the aileron pocket and start closing the leading edge of wing and aileron tomorrow...
I've just brushed on the varnish so far inside the leading edges but wonder if you spray the outside of your wings????? - I keep changing my mind - thinking about my days at GM Fisher body and the paint vat we used to run the whole body thru for the undercoat - probably put 50 pounds on those Chevy's right there...
Man you'll be busy all the time with Young Eagles rides in the DEU!...
Your productivity is amazing!!!
Steve
>>>Date:01/22/2001 5:39:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eagle,s nesters;
I have one wing finished ready for varnish and the other wing is half
assembled so things are looking up around here. hpoe to get the other wing
done ready for varnish by the weekend I want to warn everybody that it is
easy to build two left wings or two right wings I ahft to be sure I put the
but rib at the opsite end of the bench as compaired to the other wing and It
still gets confusing DONT build two wings that are the same I have one wing
on saw horses so I can look at it while I am assembling the other wing the
>>>fuselage is next se ya Leonard C.A.V.U.
Date:01/22/2001 1:32:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:NLA2@aol.com
To:EaglersNests
Date:01/22/2001 5:39:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eagle,s nesters;
I have one wing finished ready for varnish and the other wing is half
assembled so things are looking up around here. hpoe to get the other wing
done ready for varnish by the weekend I want to warn everybody that it is
easy to build two left wings or two right wings I ahft to be sure I put the
but rib at the opsite end of the bench as compaired to the other wing and It
still gets confusing DONT build two wings that are the same I have one wing
on saw horses so I can look at it while I am assembling the other wing the
fuselage is next se ya Leonard C.A.V.U.
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: engine out
>Subj: engine out
>Date: 01/22/2001 1:32:58 PM Pacific Standard Time
>From: NLA2@aol.com
>To: EaglersNests
>
>Hey Steve &the gang; I will have to limit my building the Eagle for
>awhile...... I had a near engine loss with my 150/180hp.... Smoke filled
the
>cabin and I knew I had an oil leak. I managed to get back to LNN(Lost
Nation
>Airport)... When I landed I pulled the cowling and found the pushrod tube
to
>cylindar no. 2 had been pushed to the side.Hence the oil leak......I
removed
>the rocker cover and the pushrod tube along with rod and found the rod to
be
>bent, but more than that I could see pieces of metal next to the pushrod
tube
>in the lifter casing..... When I removed the pushrod I could see that the
>casing around the lifter (tappit)had separated about 1/2" back from the
tube
>seat.... Now that means,after talking to a couple of a&'s that the engine
>must be removed and the case split so the tappit and lifter can be
>replaced...I hope the exhaust valve is ok and no other problems
>exhist.....Now if the weather cooperates I will need to pull the
>engine.......I'm not sure yet if I will do the work with an A& or send it
>out.. I' ll try to work on the eagle in between but I will need
>time....See you later.... Ron
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Sounds like your really on a roll!...
I have the same left right challenge with the wing building... I'm sure all of you have seen my right and left root bracing in the right wing main spar by now... As you suggest Leonard, the right wing hanging across from the building table gets looked at a lot as I assemble the left wing... On the spars too I suggest putting them root to root as they would be in the plane...
I've been making steady progress with the left wing and you can see where I'm at on the side bar of the WingsHow2?'s page... I'll put the last cross bracing on the aileron pocket and start closing the leading edge of wing and aileron tomorrow...
I've just brushed on the varnish so far inside the leading edges but wonder if you spray the outside of your wings????? - I keep changing my mind - thinking about my days at GM Fisher body and the paint vat we used to run the whole body thru for the undercoat - probably put 50 pounds on those Chevy's right there...
Man you'll be busy all the time with Young Eagles rides in the DEU!...
Your productivity is amazing!!!
Steve
>>>Date:01/22/2001 5:39:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eagle,s nesters;
I have one wing finished ready for varnish and the other wing is half
assembled so things are looking up around here. hpoe to get the other wing
done ready for varnish by the weekend I want to warn everybody that it is
easy to build two left wings or two right wings I ahft to be sure I put the
but rib at the opsite end of the bench as compaired to the other wing and It
still gets confusing DONT build two wings that are the same I have one wing
on saw horses so I can look at it while I am assembling the other wing the
>>>fuselage is next se ya Leonard C.A.V.U.
Date:01/25/2001 7:48:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:NLA2@aol.com
To:EaglersNests
I have the backache and the splinters and it is always cold here... I need to sand all of areas I have competed, so it will be some time yet before I will be done... And I have many holes in my nylon jacket where I have been practicing welding.... I think I finnally have it down pattt....I am trying to work on the eagle inbetween the engine removal and the other maintenence stuff......Glad to hear I am not alone..........Keep your glue warm
Well the second wing does go a lot faster and mine is looking good at this
stage I am working on the aileron hinges now and it is removed from the
wing and i made the jury strut attach points and installed them in the wing
I am going to retofit the jury struts to the legal eagle cause it has a
tendency to go to fast and the jury struts would take care of the extra
stress of the speed i hope to finish the last wing this weekend if something
dont tare or the creek dont rise when i finish this wing I think I will
stop and finish the new engine as it should have a lot more power altho the
legal eagle dosent need it it repesent the plans that I sell the engine on
the legal eagle is the frist on I built several years ago and has about a
hundred hours on it and hasnt missed a beat yet. the new engine has a 78 mm
stroke and a 92 mm bore it should be a real suprise for the legal eagle
will close now Leonard C.A.V.U.
Actually 2 milestones have been reached this week on our project... I finally decided on a foam backed sanding pad with 220 wet or dry grit and applied it to the right wing on a cold non gluing day... I'm tall and I just left the wing hanging from the rafters as seen on our web site... The stand up work station was a right idea as there was no back ache at the end of the session... It took a while for me to develop a process which I won't go into here but the result was everything got sanded... The job took 4 hours of steady sanding and I took the razor edge off 2 pads... The wing feels m u c h smoother and I'm sure Leonard is right about the wood peach fuzz causing more varnish to be used... I had really dreaded the sanding and the cold day combined with good results was rewarding... Oh one more thing, I didn't get even one small splinter and attribute that to the 1/2 inch thick foam sanding pad!... The foam let's you get into all those corners and angles too and if you ambidextrous like me you can run 2 pads pretty slick on ribs...
The other milestone is we're closing the leading edge box on both left aileron and wing which ofcourse is the end of wing building!... There is a lot of work in one of these wing halfs but the second one does go faster with all the little pieces already made and a clear sense of what is next...I'm 2 steps behind on the web site How2 page and think there are roughly 8 more pictures to go... The pictures have been taken when a glue drying period is required which also includes the varnish drying on inside of the boxes... Leonard registers the box skins with a cut off nail, marks the glue line on the skin and then takes the skin to a bench for the varnish... He glues the skin on in one session after the varnish dries... We glue the skin on the bottom of the spar, tape the glue lines, varnish and then close the box (3) days, Leonard does it 2 days - that's how Leonard gets productivity and economy!... Leonard also keeps his .08mm plywood in a roll with the gluing side in - the roll is stove pipe size (8-10 inches) and man does that make a good work ability difference - why didn't I think of that ;-)...
Builder Slave,
Steve
Actually 2 milestones have been reached this week on our project... I finally decided on a foam backed sanding pad with 220 wet or dry grit and applied it to the right wing on a cold non gluing day... I'm tall and I just left the wing hanging from the rafters as seen on our web site... The stand up work station was a right idea as there was no back ache at the end of the session... It took a while for me to develop a process which I won't go into here but the result was everything got sanded... The job took 4 hours of steady sanding and I took the razor edge off 2 pads... The wing feels m u c h smoother and I'm sure Leonard is right about the wood peach fuzz causing more varnish to be used... I had really dreaded the sanding and the cold day combined with good results was rewarding... Oh one more thing, I didn't get even one small splinter and attribute that to the 1/2 inch thick foam sanding pad!... The foam let's you get into all those corners and angles too and if you ambidextrous like me you can run 2 pads pretty slick on ribs...
The other milestone is we're closing the leading edge box on both left aileron and wing which ofcourse is the end of wing building!... There is a lot of work in one of these wing halfs but the second one does go faster with all the little pieces already made and a clear sense of what is next...I'm 2 steps behind on the web site How2 page and think there are roughly 8 more pictures to go... The pictures have been taken when a glue drying period is required which also includes the varnish drying on inside of the boxes... Leonard registers the box skins with a cut off nail, marks the glue line on the skin and then takes the skin to a bench for the varnish... He glues the skin on in one session after the varnish dries... We glue the skin on the bottom of the spar, tape the glue lines, varnish and then close the box (3) days, Leonard does it 2 days - that's how Leonard gets productivity and economy!... Leonard also keeps his .08mm plywood in a roll with the gluing side in - the roll is stove pipe size (8-10 inches) and man does that make a good work ability difference - why didn't I think of that ;-)...
Builder Slave,
Well the second wing does go a lot faster and mine is looking good at this
stage I am working on the aileron hinges now and it is removed from the
wing and i made the jury strut attach points and installed them in the wing
I am going to retofit the jury struts to the legal eagle cause it has a
tendency to go to fast and the jury struts would take care of the extra
stress of the speed i hope to finish the last wing this weekend if something
dont tare or the creek dont rise when i finish this wing I think I will
stop and finish the new engine as it should have a lot more power altho the
legal eagle dosent need it it repesent the plans that I sell the engine on
the legal eagle is the frist on I built several years ago and has about a
hundred hours on it and hasnt missed a beat yet. the new engine has a 78 mm
stroke and a 92 mm bore it should be a real suprise for the legal eagle
Date:01/25/2001 7:48:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:NLA2@aol.com
To:EaglersNests
Date:01/26/2001 7:38:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eaglers;
well i have nearly got the wings done for the double eagle. only lack a
little on the right one the other one is ready to varnish i will wait for a
warm day and spray them with thined varnish should have the right wing done
this week end C.A.V.U.Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin Ser#33 milestones...
>Subj: Re: Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin Ser#33 milestones...
>Date: 01/25/2001 7:48:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
>From: NLA2@aol.com
>To: EaglersNests
>
>I have the backache and the splinters and it is always cold here... I need
to
>sand all of areas I have competed, so it will be some time yet before I
will
>be done... And I have many holes in my nylon jacket where I have been
>practicing welding.... I think I finnally have it down pattt....I am trying
>to work on the eagle inbetween the engine removal and the other maintenence
>stuff......Glad to hear I am not alone..........Keep your glue warm
>
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Date:01/26/2001 7:38:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eaglers;
well i have nearly got the wings done for the double eagle. only lack a
little on the right one the other one is ready to varnish i will wait for a
warm day and spray them with thined varnish should have the right wing done
this week end C.A.V.U.Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin Ser#33 milestones...
>Subj: Re: Blauvelt/Kiblinger/Levin Ser#33 milestones...
>Date: 01/25/2001 7:48:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
>From: NLA2@aol.com
>To: EaglersNests
>
>I have the backache and the splinters and it is always cold here... I need
to
>sand all of areas I have competed, so it will be some time yet before I
will
>be done... And I have many holes in my nylon jacket where I have been
>practicing welding.... I think I finnally have it down pattt....I am trying
>to work on the eagle inbetween the engine removal and the other maintenence
>stuff......Glad to hear I am not alone..........Keep your glue warm
>
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I have been grounded by shop temperature and the need to go to ACS for the last airframe building supplies - I was set to do a Will Call pickup in Corona today and that didn't happen - now tomorrow...
Stan has been kind enough to pass along the item I'm slipping thru under the heading of Safety - sorry...
>>> The Ecuadorian captain had grown increasingly anxious
over rumors of
an impending air strike from neighboring Peru.
"Pedro," he ordered his
aide-de-camp, "I want you to climb that mountain and
report any signs of
Peruvian military activity."
"Si, Capitano," replied Pedro. He trudged up the
mountain, and as
soon as he crossed the ridge he saw a squadron of
planes heading their way.
"There are many planes coming, Capitano," he promptly
radioed back.
"Friends or enemies?" the Captain demanded urgently.
Pedro again lifted his binoculars to the sky. "They're
flying very
closely together, Capitano," he replied. "I think they
must be friends."
The sun is shining now!
Steve
PS... I'm also bending the rules by passing a photo of the official Eagler automobile - A Plymouth Prowler... and we just heard sorry things about them in the news...
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I have been grounded by shop temperature and the need to go to ACS for the last airframe building supplies - I was set to do a Will Call pickup in Corona today and that didn't happen - now tomorrow...
Stan has been kind enough to pass along the item I'm slipping thru under the heading of Safety - sorry...
>>>The Ecuadorian captain had grown increasingly anxious
over rumors of
an impending air strike from neighboring Peru.
"Pedro," he ordered his
aide-de-camp, "I want you to climb that mountain and
report any signs of
Peruvian military activity."
"Si, Capitano," replied Pedro. He trudged up the
mountain, and as
soon as he crossed the ridge he saw a squadron of
planes heading their way.
"There are many planes coming, Capitano," he promptly
radioed back.
"Friends or enemies?" the Captain demanded urgently.
Pedro again lifted his binoculars to the sky. "They're
flying very
closely together, Capitano," he replied. "I think they
must be friends."
The sun is shining now!
Steve
PS... I'm also bending the rules by passing a photo of the official Eagler automobile - A Plymouth Prowler... and we just heard sorry things about them in the news...
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Date:01/30/2001 8:19:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eaglers;
well the second wing is very close to being done one more work session and
it will be ready for varnish I got some of the leading edge glued on today
qand expect to finish it soon Leonard C.A.V.U.
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: This is a safety item under the E-mail group rules...
>Eagler(s):
>
>I have been grounded by shop temperature and the need to go to ACS for the
>last airframe building supplies - I was set to do a Will Call pickup in
>Corona today and that didn't happen - now tomorrow...
>
>Stan has been kind enough to pass along the item I'm slipping thru under
the
>heading of Safety - sorry...
>
>>>>The Ecuadorian captain had grown increasingly anxious
>over rumors of
>an impending air strike from neighboring Peru.
>"Pedro," he ordered his
>aide-de-camp, "I want you to climb that mountain and
>report any signs of
>Peruvian military activity."
>
>"Si, Capitano," replied Pedro. He trudged up the
>mountain, and as
>soon as he crossed the ridge he saw a squadron of
>planes heading their way.
>
>"There are many planes coming, Capitano," he promptly
>radioed back.
>
>"Friends or enemies?" the Captain demanded urgently.
>
>Pedro again lifted his binoculars to the sky. "They're
>flying very
>closely together, Capitano," he replied. "I think they
>must be friends."
>
>
>The sun is shining now!
>
>Steve
>
>PS... I'm also bending the rules by passing a photo of the official Eagler
>automobile - A Plymouth Prowler... and we just heard sorry things about
them
>in the news...
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail coordinator: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail:
skiblinger@cs.com
>
>This E-mail list is exclusively for (discussions about the Milholland
>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
safe
>aviation practices... See Steve's LEU web site for more LEU information at:
>http://ourworld-top.cs.com/skiblinger/index.htm
>
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Date:01/30/2001 8:19:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eaglers;
well the second wing is very close to being done one more work session and
it will be ready for varnish I got some of the leading edge glued on today
qand expect to finish it soon Leonard C.A.V.U.
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: This is a safety item under the E-mail group rules...
>Eagler(s):
>
>I have been grounded by shop temperature and the need to go to ACS for the
>last airframe building supplies - I was set to do a Will Call pickup in
>Corona today and that didn't happen - now tomorrow...
>
>Stan has been kind enough to pass along the item I'm slipping thru under
the
>heading of Safety - sorry...
>
>>>>The Ecuadorian captain had grown increasingly anxious
>over rumors of
>an impending air strike from neighboring Peru.
>"Pedro," he ordered his
>aide-de-camp, "I want you to climb that mountain and
>report any signs of
>Peruvian military activity."
>
>"Si, Capitano," replied Pedro. He trudged up the
>mountain, and as
>soon as he crossed the ridge he saw a squadron of
>planes heading their way.
>
>"There are many planes coming, Capitano," he promptly
>radioed back.
>
>"Friends or enemies?" the Captain demanded urgently.
>
>Pedro again lifted his binoculars to the sky. "They're
>flying very
>closely together, Capitano," he replied. "I think they
>must be friends."
>
>
>The sun is shining now!
>
>Steve
>
>PS... I'm also bending the rules by passing a photo of the official Eagler
>automobile - A Plymouth Prowler... and we just heard sorry things about
them
>in the news...
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail coordinator: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail:
skiblinger@cs.com
>
>This E-mail list is exclusively for (discussions about the Milholland
>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
safe
>aviation practices... See Steve's LEU web site for more LEU information at:
>http://ourworld-top.cs.com/skiblinger/index.htm
>
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Most of your are not in California so I thought it might be of interest to describe a Will Call venture...
Aircraft Spruce started out in an old orange packing warehouse along the railroad tracks in Fullerton... The Will Call dept. in those days (1978) was a one man operation and took hours but you got the right stuff on the day you wanted it... Slow and inaccurate shipping in those days made a market for Wicks... Today ACS is near the railroad tracks in Corona very near the Corona airport... ACS will pick you up at the airport and I've seen flyers using that service during my ACS visits... Thursday there were 6 people behind the Will Call counter and probably a dozen people in the display area being served thru browsing or getting material... I had shown my salesperson a 4 page order the week before and he said if I would wait an hour he would fill it completely and there was tube cutting involved - wood orders (like for our wings) take one to four weeks, however... The warehouse itself is huge and there are lots of people working an automated inventory picking and management system - the online inventory quantities always seem to be accurate and they check before you drive - it's 91 miles each way for me... The display area is probably 1500 sq. feet and stuffed with all the things you know and desire from how-to video's to two completed projects hanging from the ceiling with one side showing the understructure - a KR2 and an Avid Flyer... The final thing is that you can made a material change if you have erred... I switched my Lexan wind screen to Leonard's called for .80 material instead of the lighter .60 that I thought would be serviceable - too flimsy... I also was picking up the covering materials and the 1.7oz Stits x 23 lineal yards comes wrapped like Christmas paper on a core as do the tapes and weigh nothing yet the primer/varnish/glue/filler and silver coatings with catalyst's and thinner weigh a ton... I asked for a cart to haul it out... Normally you carry your stuff one handed and leave with an empty wallet...
Today I varnished the inside of the leading edge aileron closure and put material away... It has been good building weather... My solar heating had the shop at 85 today and I cooled with open doors - good on the fumes too - that MEK is a tear jerker... Roman will come out tomorrow to lend 2 more hands for the aileron spar box closure... I will start locating the rib clamping blocks on the left wing leading edge... Stan and I are working on a date to prime the metal on the empennage and varnish the right wing using Stan's commercial HVLP paint system... Then all this reading of the Stits covering manual will have to be replaced by action...
Best,
Steve
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Most of your are not in California so I thought it might be of interest to describe a Will Call venture...
Aircraft Spruce started out in an old orange packing warehouse along the railroad tracks in Fullerton... The Will Call dept. in those days (1978) was a one man operation and took hours but you got the right stuff on the day you wanted it... Slow and inaccurate shipping in those days made a market for Wicks... Today ACS is near the railroad tracks in Corona very near the Corona airport... ACS will pick you up at the airport and I've seen flyers using that service during my ACS visits... Thursday there were 6 people behind the Will Call counter and probably a dozen people in the display area being served thru browsing or getting material... I had shown my salesperson a 4 page order the week before and he said if I would wait an hour he would fill it completely and there was tube cutting involved - wood orders (like for our wings) take one to four weeks, however... The warehouse itself is huge and there are lots of people working an automated inventory picking and management system - the online inventory quantities always seem to be accurate and they check before you drive - it's 91 miles each way for me... The display area is probably 1500 sq. feet and stuffed with all the things you know and desire from how-to video's to two completed projects hanging from the ceiling with one side showing the understructure - a KR2 and an Avid Flyer... The final thing is that you can made a material change if you have erred... I switched my Lexan wind screen to Leonard's called for .80 material instead of the lighter .60 that I thought would be serviceable - too flimsy... I also was picking up the covering materials and the 1.7oz Stits x 23 lineal yards comes wrapped like Christmas paper on a core as do the tapes and weigh nothing yet the primer/varnish/glue/filler and silver coatings with catalyst's and thinner weigh a ton... I asked for a cart to haul it out... Normally you carry your stuff one handed and leave with an empty wallet...
Today I varnished the inside of the leading edge aileron closure and put material away... It has been good building weather... My solar heating had the shop at 85 today and I cooled with open doors - good on the fumes too - that MEK is a tear jerker... Roman will come out tomorrow to lend 2 more hands for the aileron spar box closure... I will start locating the rib clamping blocks on the left wing leading edge... Stan and I are working on a date to prime the metal on the empennage and varnish the right wing using Stan's commercial HVLP paint system... Then all this reading of the Stits covering manual will have to be replaced by action...
Best,
Steve
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Date:02/04/2001 5:33:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eaglers;
well I have finaly finished the wings of the double eagle and what a wonder
feeling it is. We had a beautiful weekend and the sky was a pure blue from
horizon to the other side. Sport flyers field turned to airplanes I flew
the legal eagle twice and let another pilot fly it he couldnt say enough
good things about it did you catch the article in the Feb. expirementer
about the test flight that mike kimbrel made last fall ? We had a cook out
up at the other end of the field and had a very good turn out planes came
and went all day I counted 11 at one time . Today we had a ultra lite
chapter meeting 112 we had 12 ultra lites all lined up at toms hangar. Boy
this was one of those weekends that you hate to see pass to top it off mom
and I took our champ up at sunset and flew around till the sunset happened
and then we truned the lights on and landed in the dark when we reached our
hangar we were home cause we live here. we will have more of these weekends
but this was welcome cause we have had a very cold and rainey Jan. you keep
building youre eagles cause you will be very pleased when you finish.
C.A.V.U. Leonard
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From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:17 PM
Subject: Will Call pickups at Aircraft Spruce...
>Eagler's:
>
>Most of your are not in California so I thought it might be of interest to
>describe a Will Call venture...
>
>Aircraft Spruce started out in an old orange packing warehouse along the
>railroad tracks in Fullerton... The Will Call dept. in those days (1978)
was
>a one man operation and took hours but you got the right stuff on the day
you
>wanted it... Slow and inaccurate shipping in those days made a market for
>Wicks... Today ACS is near the railroad tracks in Corona very near the
Corona
>airport... ACS will pick you up at the airport and I've seen flyers using
>that service during my ACS visits... Thursday there were 6 people behind
the
>Will Call counter and probably a dozen people in the display area being
>served thru browsing or getting material... I had shown my salesperson a 4
>page order the week before and he said if I would wait an hour he would
fill
>it completely and there was tube cutting involved - wood orders (like for
our
>wings) take one to four weeks, however... The warehouse itself is huge and
>there are lots of people working an automated inventory picking and
>management system - the online inventory quantities always seem to be
>accurate and they check before you drive - it's 91 miles each way for me...
>The display area is probably 1500 sq. feet and stuffed with all the things
>you know and desire from how-to video's to two completed projects hanging
>from the ceiling with one side showing the understructure - a KR2 and an
Avid
>Flyer... The final thing is that you can made a material change if you have
>erred... I switched my Lexan wind screen to Leonard's called for .80
material
>instead of the lighter .60 that I thought would be serviceable - too
>flimsy... I also was picking up the covering materials and the 1.7oz Stits
x
>23 lineal yards comes wrapped like Christmas paper on a core as do the
tapes
>and weigh nothing yet the primer/varnish/glue/filler and silver coatings
with
>catalyst's and thinner weigh a ton... I asked for a cart to haul it out...
>Normally you carry your stuff one handed and leave with an empty wallet...
>
>Today I varnished the inside of the leading edge aileron closure and put
>material away... It has been good building weather... My solar heating had
>the shop at 85 today and I cooled with open doors - good on the fumes too -
>that MEK is a tear jerker... Roman will come out tomorrow to lend 2 more
>hands for the aileron spar box closure... I will start locating the rib
>clamping blocks on the left wing leading edge... Stan and I are working on
a
>date to prime the metal on the empennage and varnish the right wing using
>Stan's commercial HVLP paint system... Then all this reading of the Stits
>covering manual will have to be replaced by action...
>
>Best,
>
>Steve
>
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skiblinger@cs.com
>
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Date:02/04/2001 5:33:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi Eaglers;
well I have finaly finished the wings of the double eagle and what a wonder
feeling it is. We had a beautiful weekend and the sky was a pure blue from
horizon to the other side. Sport flyers field turned to airplanes I flew
the legal eagle twice and let another pilot fly it he couldnt say enough
good things about it did you catch the article in the Feb. expirementer
about the test flight that mike kimbrel made last fall ? We had a cook out
up at the other end of the field and had a very good turn out planes came
and went all day I counted 11 at one time . Today we had a ultra lite
chapter meeting 112 we had 12 ultra lites all lined up at toms hangar. Boy
this was one of those weekends that you hate to see pass to top it off mom
and I took our champ up at sunset and flew around till the sunset happened
and then we truned the lights on and landed in the dark when we reached our
hangar we were home cause we live here. we will have more of these weekends
but this was welcome cause we have had a very cold and rainey Jan. you keep
building youre eagles cause you will be very pleased when you finish.
C.A.V.U. Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:17 PM
Subject: Will Call pickups at Aircraft Spruce...
>Eagler's:
>
>Most of your are not in California so I thought it might be of interest to
>describe a Will Call venture...
>
>Aircraft Spruce started out in an old orange packing warehouse along the
>railroad tracks in Fullerton... The Will Call dept. in those days (1978)
was
>a one man operation and took hours but you got the right stuff on the day
you
>wanted it... Slow and inaccurate shipping in those days made a market for
>Wicks... Today ACS is near the railroad tracks in Corona very near the
Corona
>airport... ACS will pick you up at the airport and I've seen flyers using
>that service during my ACS visits... Thursday there were 6 people behind
the
>Will Call counter and probably a dozen people in the display area being
>served thru browsing or getting material... I had shown my salesperson a 4
>page order the week before and he said if I would wait an hour he would
fill
>it completely and there was tube cutting involved - wood orders (like for
our
>wings) take one to four weeks, however... The warehouse itself is huge and
>there are lots of people working an automated inventory picking and
>management system - the online inventory quantities always seem to be
>accurate and they check before you drive - it's 91 miles each way for me...
>The display area is probably 1500 sq. feet and stuffed with all the things
>you know and desire from how-to video's to two completed projects hanging
>from the ceiling with one side showing the understructure - a KR2 and an
Avid
>Flyer... The final thing is that you can made a material change if you have
>erred... I switched my Lexan wind screen to Leonard's called for .80
material
>instead of the lighter .60 that I thought would be serviceable - too
>flimsy... I also was picking up the covering materials and the 1.7oz Stits
x
>23 lineal yards comes wrapped like Christmas paper on a core as do the
tapes
>and weigh nothing yet the primer/varnish/glue/filler and silver coatings
with
>catalyst's and thinner weigh a ton... I asked for a cart to haul it out...
>Normally you carry your stuff one handed and leave with an empty wallet...
>
>Today I varnished the inside of the leading edge aileron closure and put
>material away... It has been good building weather... My solar heating had
>the shop at 85 today and I cooled with open doors - good on the fumes too -
>that MEK is a tear jerker... Roman will come out tomorrow to lend 2 more
>hands for the aileron spar box closure... I will start locating the rib
>clamping blocks on the left wing leading edge... Stan and I are working on
a
>date to prime the metal on the empennage and varnish the right wing using
>Stan's commercial HVLP paint system... Then all this reading of the Stits
>covering manual will have to be replaced by action...
>
>Best,
>
>Steve
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail coordinator: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail:
skiblinger@cs.com
>
>This E-mail list is exclusively for (discussions about the Milholland
>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
safe
>aviation practices... See Steve's LEU web site for more LEU information at:
>http://ourworld-top.cs.com/skiblinger/index.htm
>
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Date:02/07/2001 6:20:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:SKiblinger
To:EaglersNests
Lanny:
The seat back bend went difficult for me too... I thought about it as I approached that part of the fuselage and made the first one out of .035 wall - it was pretty and too weak... I jury rigged a curve block on the table and the second one came out of .049 wall and looked ugly with an irregular arc... Then I read the plans and put a soft wood 2x4 with different sized holes in my vice and bent it like Leonard sez... It does have some tiny dents that disappear under the strapping where the corner of the 2x hole hits the material - they are of no consequence - try it...
Look at the attached picture re: attachments - use your die grinder to size attachment tube hole to angular irregularities...
Steve
In a message dated 02/06/2001 8:20:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, lcreason@uia.net writes:
<< Subj: #9; Seat Back
Date:02/06/2001 8:20:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:lcreason@uia.net (Lanny Creason)
Reply-to:lcreason@uia.net (Lanny Creason)
To:SKiblinger@cs.com
Hi Steve, have been looking at you pictures, VERY good!. I am currently working on mine (serial 64F) and was wondering if you had any sage advise on how to get a clean roll in the seat back tubing. My conduit bender don't get it. Also, the cabin side tubing comes up at an angle both forward and aft. How do you get the gear and wing attach fittings to fit right (straight up and down) or do they ??? Do you have any close up pictures of this area. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Lanny
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Date:02/07/2001 10:56:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
Reply-to:leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
Hi guys couldnt hav said it better myself Leonard. I have been using the
hole in the board for a long time and if you are very careful you can avoid
the little kinks I also use a livel on the tube while bending to avoid a
rolling bend. C.A.V.U.
-----Original Message-----
From: EaglersNests@cs.com
To: EaglersNests@cs.com
Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:36 AM
Subject: Tube bending and attachment fitting
>Subj: Re: Seat Back - A nice little challenge...
>Date: 02/07/2001 6:20:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
>From: SKiblinger
>To: EaglersNests
>
>Lanny:
>
>The seat back bend went difficult for me too... I thought about it as I
>approached that part of the fuselage and made the first one out of .035
wall
>- it was pretty and too weak... I jury rigged a curve block on the table
and
>the second one came out of .049 wall and looked ugly with an irregular
arc...
>Then I read the plans and put a soft wood 2x4 with different sized holes in
>my vice and bent it like Leonard sez... It does have some tiny dents that
>disappear under the strapping where the corner of the 2x hole hits the
>material - they are of no consequence - try it...
>
>Look at the attached picture re: attachments - use your die grinder to size
>attachment tube hole to angular irregularities...
>
>Steve
>
>
>In a message dated 02/06/2001 8:20:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>lcreason@uia.net writes:
>
><< Subj: Seat Back
> Date: 02/06/2001 8:20:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From: lcreason@uia.net (Lanny Creason)
> Reply-to: lcreason@uia.net (Lanny Creason)
> To: SKiblinger@cs.com
>
> Hi Steve, have been looking at you pictures, VERY good!. I am currently
>working on mine (serial 64F) and was wondering if you had any sage advise
on
>how to get a clean roll in the seat back tubing. My conduit bender don't
get
>it. Also, the cabin side tubing comes up at an angle both forward and aft.
>How do you get the gear and wing attach fittings to fit right (straight up
>and down) or do they ??? Do you have any close up pictures of this area.
>Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Lanny
>
> --------------------
>
>
>EaglersNests' E-mail coordinator: Steve Kiblinger - E-mail:
skiblinger@cs.com
>
>This E-mail list is exclusively for (discussions about the Milholland
>Betterhalf VW and Legal Eagle Ultralight airplane) and the promotion of
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>aviation practices... See Steve's LEU web site for more LEU information at:
>http://ourworld-top.cs.com/skiblinger/index.htm
>
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I tried the sand without a lot of success... It appeared to require some method of keeping pressure on the sand in the tube and I just duct taped the ends closed - it was better than nothing but not much...
Steve
In a message dated 02/07/2001 3:01:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, stanswood@yahoo.com writes:
<< Subj: #9; Re: Tube bending and attachment fitting - Leonard
Date:02/07/2001 3:01:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
From:stanswood@yahoo.com (Stan Levin)
To:EaglersNests@cs.com
CC:skiblinger@cs.com (Steve Kib)
not my business ... but has anyone tried filling the
tube(s) with sand before bending ???
stan levin
--- EaglersNests@cs.com wrote:
> Subj: Re: Tube bending and attachment fitting
> Date: 02/07/2001 10:56:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
> From: leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
> Reply-to: leonard@fbtc.net (Leonard Milholland)
> To: EaglersNests@cs.com
>
> Hi guys couldnt hav said it better myself
> Leonard. I have been using the
> hole in the board for a long time and if you are
> very careful you can avoid
> the little kinks I also use a livel on the tube
> while bending to avoid a
> rolling bend. C.A.V.U.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EaglersNests@cs.com
> To: EaglersNests@cs.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:36 AM
> Subject: Tube bending and attachment fitting
>
>
> >Subj: Re: Seat Back - A nice little challenge...
> >Date: 02/07/2001 6:20:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >From: SKiblinger
> >To: EaglersNests
> >
> >Lanny:
> >
> >The seat back bend went difficult for me too... I
> thought about it as I
> >approached that part of the fuselage and made the
> first one out of .035
> wall
> >- it was pretty and too weak... I jury rigged a
> curve block on the table
> and
> >the second one came out of .049 wall and looked
> ugly with an irregular
> arc...
> >Then I read the plans and put a soft wood 2x4 with
> different sized holes in
> >my vice and bent it like Leonard sez... It does
> have some tiny dents that
> >disappear under the strapping where the corner of
> the 2x hole hits the
> >material - they are of no consequence - try it...
> >
> >Look at the attached picture re: attachments - use
> your die grinder to size
> >attachment tube hole to angular irregularities...
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 02/06/2001 8:20:06 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> >lcreason@uia.net writes:
> >
> ><< Subj: Seat Back
> > Date: 02/06/2001 8:20:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > From: lcreason@uia.net (Lanny Creason)
> > Reply-to: lcreason@uia.net (Lanny Creason)
> > To: SKiblinger@cs.com
> >
> > Hi Steve, have been looking at you pictures, VERY
> good!. I am currently
> >working on mine (serial 64F) and was wondering if
> you had any sage advise
> on
> >how to get a clean roll in the seat back tubing.
> My conduit bender don't
> get
> >it. Also, the cabin side tubing comes up at an
> angle both forward and aft.
> >How do you get the gear and wing attach fittings to
> fit right (straight up
> >and down) or do they ??? Do you have any close up
> pictures of this area.
> >Any help would be appreciated.
> > Thanks.
> > L